Okay, so 4 months ago I renewed my simple request to EMC for a TCO model comparing DMX+CX with VMax (in essence to compare 'between box' vs 'within box' tiers). A simple enough request I thought - and one I made initially several years ago (at that time comparing DMX to DMX+CX), but never got anywhere. This time a specific project planning to purchase PB+ of capacity drove me to renew this request.
Now four months on and, despite me chasing, I still haven't received anything from EMC, nor have I even been given an estimate as to when / if I might see something. So I'm forced to conclude that Uncle Joe and the Elusive Mathematical Calculators are either: -
- Ignoring the request
- Don't understand (or care) about TCO & ROI, preferring to focus on leasing or 'regular technology refresh purchase justification business cases'
- Aren't able to explain the customer value of their different products and architectures
- Are hiding something
- Prefer slick & vocal marketing to facts
- Trying to hire somebody to work on the topic
Now EMC aren't alone in this, to compare this with how some other companies have reacted to similar requests :-
- Netapp are sadly still trying to understand the question for a couple of years ago.
- Cisco are still searching for unicorns to breed, and admitted at NetWorker2010 that it will be a couple more months before anything surfaces. I've been requesting the ROI & TCO of the California/UCS platform for over a year (yes well before it went public), so I'm mystified that nothing yet exists as a model.
- However on the positive front, HDS immediately answered, providing David Merrill and his team, how arrived with a variety of information, models and reviews. Lots of dialogue and transparency, and a variety of TCO & ROI models provided. So the request is possible and some do understand.
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ReplyDeleteAs I read this as an EMC employee, I'm frustrated. I mean, we do this all the time with our customers -- I see it every day.
I'd like to better understand the specifics here. This bothers me.
-- Chuck
Ever get the feeling that a company doesn't want your business badly enough?
ReplyDeleteThat wpould likely fall in the category "ignoring your request".
Clearly you need a better contact within these vendors. And it is very likely that Joe is unaware that they're not doing their jobs. If he knew, they wouldn't have theirs for long.
Ian
ReplyDeleteThanks for the endorsement. Luckily for you this is not a one-off encounter or offering at HDS. I am tracking over 800 formal engagements and hundreds of less formal ones over the past 9 years. Storage Economics, and economically superior architecture is an essential topic in today's business environment.
I keep training stoage econ black belts and blue-belts around the world. Heck, for the amount of time we spent together last year building and modifying VF models you should be at least a brown-belt.
Dave
I read through the comments posted here... and a certain response made me laugh - especially in light of recent "of course it makes financial sense" claims on vBlock... really? does it? no one has been able to articulate any TCO that is not unreasonably biased.... As per Mr Grumpy's comment - just being able to give a sales pitch louder than the next guy does not sell anymore....
ReplyDeleteHmmmmm nice follow up on twitter... I guess no one really did want to answer your questions :-(
ReplyDeleteThis is in lie with what we found, as well. HDS are hungry for business and not only price aggressively but also offer business models that match the needs of corporaitons struggling to meet elastic demand with inelastic budgets.
ReplyDeleteCisco now has a TCO tool that can be fine tuned to show real cost saving results results based on individual customer needs for UCS and Cisco DC 3.0 products. The tool is fairly transparent so no behind the scenes numbers games. Your Cisco channel should be able to run through the tool with you and get you the numbers your looking for.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree that vendors as a whole need to get better at getting this information out more quickly. Cool technology is great, but $$$ is what ends up making real decisions.